Gangsta' Christians : Ryan Dobson's spiritual ghetto


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Ryan Dobson was divorced to

Ryan Dobson was divorced to Cezanne Williams in 2001. Daddy's foundation paid for him to get the condo.

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Posted by anonymous lurker (not verified) on 31 May 2005 - 8:59am
The Dobsons are just part of

The Dobsons are just part of the corporate christianity, the one that produces lots of products to sell you and wants you on the mailing list to send endless solicitations to, wants to recruit you to conferences and seminars to tell you how to have whiter christian teeth etc. It all about marketing a product and nothing to do with religion, selling a culture and a lifestyle, rewriting history and reinterpreting America for you. See you are supposed to be a compliant consumer. Dobson is a "moolah", because that is what he is all about. He is a psychologist not a preacher.

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Posted by anonymous lurker (not verified) on 26 April 2005 - 10:54pm
A point of interest

Yes, I agree. I recently discovered that the founder of E-Harmony, Dr. Neil Clark Warren, is an associate of James Dobson's and regulary writes relationship advice for a "Focus on the Family" website titled


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Posted by laurentayloris on 27 April 2005 - 6:54am
junior dob

I'd advise you to stay away from the "Greek Orthodox Oil and Lube" place - it might not be for cars...

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Posted by Milo Johnson (not verified) on 24 April 2005 - 12:48pm
sage advice

Yes, I hadn't stopped to consider the deeper, Freudian significances suggested by my use of the Greek Orhodox church as the denomination of choice for my little "oil and lube" scenario. I wonder, could there be a connection?

Thanks for the tip!


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Posted by laurentayloris on 24 April 2005 - 1:02pm
This Dobson Worm

Dear Media Girl,

You ask:

"Does anybody else out there sense the violent undertones in the new rhetoric?"

Yes any number of people. But, in paraticular, Orcinus has been on this for a looong time.

And then, of course, this excerpt of a poem written in 1988:

& if there should ever be dictatorship

in those Arrogant States,

I know, without any doubt, that it will wear

a 'religious' face.

& it will scream a dream of permanence

upon a fundament

Of broken glass, and rust, and shattered bricks;

in short -- excrement!

& it will call itself 'holy' and

usurp the Holy's place;

& it will manifest nothing but

a total lack of taste.

Kind regards

Chuck Cliff

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Posted by BarfHead (not verified) on 24 April 2005 - 12:23pm
I agree about Christianity

The right has corrupted it into some sort of gangsta mythology, where the teachings of Jesus are considered weakness, if not morally suspect.

By the way, several people post here. The article on Dobson you're commenting on was actually submitted by laurentayloris.

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Posted by media girl on 22 April 2005 - 11:39am
not-so-authentic christianity

Well mediagirl---read your post on young Dobson and have to agree with you on all counts---and here's the kicker... I'm a follower of Christ. "Mainstream Christianity" and the "Christian right" has really set a bad precedent and has failed to represent who Jesus really is and what His Kingdom is all about---and it's not about trying to fix our culture or make this a more "Christian nation". Unfortunately punks like young Dobson (and old punks like his father) have a really poor perspective on the ways and teachings of Jesus and think that their defensively-posed tactics are what "saves people"---the reality is though, it's using carnal methods of trying to attract people to a movement that is anything but Christ-centered.

Oh, throw in the fact that he's trying to make a buck off of this.

I post this to say that as a believer in and follower of Jesus, I feel like He is poorly represented here and that what you're seeing from young Dobson is not authentic but a cheap substitute for a much greater GOOD.

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Posted by anonymous lurker (not verified) on 22 April 2005 - 11:10am
Don't worry

Just because you're a different person, it doesn't mean that they won't tell you how to live your life. Feel included! ;)

media girl's picture
Posted by media girl on 21 April 2005 - 11:52am
The christian right seems to

The christian right seems to abhor anything that is different.

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Posted by Ole Blue the Heretic (not verified) on 21 April 2005 - 12:30pm
I can't believe...

that this guy has the same first name as me. And my dad's first name is James as well. Of course, I'm a lib living in one of the reddest, biggotted states around. It's kind of a strange antiparallel.

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Posted by Ryan (not verified) on 21 April 2005 - 11:42am
Be intolerant

That's just lovely. Let's turn to the Bible, shall we?

Matthew 5:3-11: The Beatitudes

Blessed are the poor in generosity: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they that judge: for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the aggressive: for they shall acquire the earth.

Blessed are they which do lust in self-righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the unmerciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the impure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the warmakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which persecute for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 6:9-13: The Lord's Prayer

After this manner therefore pray ye: We are your daddy, Hallowed be our name.

Our kingdom come, Our will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily oil.

And forgive us our judgement, as those whom we judge deserve it.

And lead us not into contemplation, but deliver us from evildoers: For ours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Deuteronomy 5:6-21: The Ten Commandments

I am the self-appointed special envoy of LORD thy God, so shut up or we'll send you to be tortured in the land of Egypt, in perpetual bondage without charges or habeas corpus or any of those damn trial attorneys.

Thou shalt have none other gods before me, because I'm right, God told me so.

Thou shalt not make thee any television image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth (unless it's been approved by the White House: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for because God talks to me, I'm like a god, too, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing no mercy unto thousands of them that dare to not agree with me.

Thou shalt not take the name of me, the inquisitor for my LORD thy God, in vain: for I will not hold him guiltless that taketh my name in vain, and capital punishment is still flourishing in Texas, buster.

Keep the sabbath day to sanctify marriage, and use Viagra to increase that sanctity, as I, the voice of my LORD my God, hath commanded thee.

Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work for a pittance, because that's all that thou deserve, you lazy liberal:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD my God: in it I shalt not do any work and just sit on my flabby white ass, but thou, thy son, thy daughter, my manservant, my maidservant, my ox, my cattle, nor any stranger, all of whom are less than I, shall work without overtime, and don't start whining about health insurance, either, for I am onto thou and thy schemes.

And remember that thou could be tortured in the land of Egypt by my command, and that I, the voice of the LORD my God may punish thou through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore I, the general of the LORD my God commanded thee to work without overtime on the sabbath day because it's sound retail policy.

Honour thy father Bush and thy mother Coulter, as I, the adjutant of the LORD my God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which I, the landlord of the LORD my God leaseth thee, as long as thou toest the line.

Thou shalt not kill, except for people who disagree with me, or unless I tell thee it's thy duty to kill, at which point thou shalt kill using firearms, which are blessed, missiles, which are blessed, and bombs, which are blessed.

Neither shalt thou commit adultery, unless thou be a Republican, in which case it's quite alright because it means thou art a real man (even if thou art a woman).

Neither shalt thou steal, except from those people of lower class than yours.

Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour, unless it gives political advantage to me.

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, unless thou be a conservative, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, unless thou be banker, his field, unless thou makest genetically altered foodstuffs, or his manservant, unless thou art a woman of breeding years, or his maidservant, unless thou art on a lobbying junket, his ox, for we all know how everyone gets aroused by oxen, or his ass, unless thou carryest a White House Press Pass in a false name, or any thing that is thy neighbour's, except that which rightfully belongest to thee.

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Posted by media girl on 21 April 2005 - 12:53am