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Shame-based religion

Thank you media girl for pointing out this threat over on DK.

I posted there a comment there:

The controls you speak to are those that make no sense from a secular point of view. The concept of hatred of the body, and control by others, comes out of shame-based religion.

There are things the Christian religion forbids - like killing or stealing - which have a basis in a secular sense as well. I don't have to believe in the Christian God to see why it makes sense to outlaw killing or stealing.

I do not happen to believe there is anything extra special about an fertilized egg. That, to my mind, is a religious belief.

The bans on abortion and the attempt to control mating and fertility are based on religion.

Biotechnology will soon make many of these arguments moot as human reproduction will finally become "modern." We are the last of the people who will be born in the "jungle way."

The Christian extremists want to stop ii, but they genie is already out of the bottle.

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Posted by Matsu on 25 February 2005 - 12:30am
It's the real struggle

It may seem like "we" are at war with "Iraq" or "Islam," but the real struggle is by secularists here and in Iraq and all over the world, and fundamentalists here and in Iraq and all over the world.

The mullas and Ayatollas are saying much the same thing as Bush and the GOP: Obey us, live by God's law, don't ask questions, never object to a damn thing, and you women shut up and go home and have supper ready and be ready to provide sex for your man.

Is this the day the Enlightenment is saved, or when it dies?

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Posted by media girl on 25 February 2005 - 12:40am
And you women, shut up!
The mullas and Ayatollas are saying much the same thing as Bush and the GOP: Obey us, live by God's law, don't ask questions, never object to a damn thing, and you women shut up and go home and have supper ready and be ready to provide sex for your man.

We even see that in some of the progressive media.

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Posted by Matsu on 25 February 2005 - 12:59am
criminals

Lorraine does put it well. I would add that this administration has established a pattern of appointing criminals (Negroponte, Abrams, Gonzalez, etc.) to persecute the exercise of human rights on many fronts. (Sometimes I surprise myself: how much I'm beginning to sound like an old '30s Popular Front agitator. Occupational hazard for a retired historian) This can scarcely be negotiated away.

Justice and Peace: all y'all

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Posted by the Rebel (not verified) on 25 February 2005 - 1:31pm