» Take your pick: pregnancy as punishment OR women are sheep

9 March 2006 - 4:35pm

Take your pick: pregnancy as punishment OR women are sheep

media girl's picture

Amanda I think nails it with her post today, Women are like sheep: cuddly, easily led:

Lopez’s assumption that girls won’t talk to their parents unless it’s required by law speaks volumes about her beliefs that women are just dumb ass sheep who can’t make the proper decision unless pushed in the right direction. But of course, the assumption is that once pushed, said women will comply without resistance, so there’s no reason not to have such a law because there will be no negative side effects, like girls getting back alley abortions or girls who have good reasons not to tell their parents. (Such as Daddy will beat her.) Women are sheep–push ‘em, they go in the right direction, and all women have exactly the same needs.

Knowing that conservatives have such a low view of women’s agency is key to understanding the video that Digby posted where various protesters were asked what the punishment should be for women who obtain illegal abortions. Most of them are absolutely floored at the very idea that women’s decisions should be examined at all–to them, only the doctor who performed it is morally accountable because he had the job to direct the amoral sheep-like woman towards the “correct� decision of not aborting and he fell down on his job of providing guidance. That women are willful, that they might decide they want to terminate even in the face of everyone telling them to have the baby, just doesn’t even register.

That said, I do think there’s two views on the right of women’s morality, one that casts women as evil sluts who must be controlled at all costs and one that casts women as dumb sheep that need just a little guidance to get it “right�.

We've seen manifestations of both here, from MRA-types who, in their paranoid fantasy worlds, seem convinced that we evil feminists are secretly running the world -- you know, like your worst nightmare Illuminati -- and forced pregnancy is only our just due; and the Pollyannas, who believe that all you have to is outlaw something to make it go away. (It worked really well with drugs, right? And Prohibition was a thrilling success!)

I expect the Pollyannas are in for a rude awakening. Many of their supporters are, too, because, as any clinic worker will tell you, a significant percentage of women who abort pregnancies are staunchly "pro-life" -- "But this is an exception!" Women have used what lore they had to control their own bodies to what extent possible for thousands of years, and modern-day abortion prohibitions aren't going to stop that.

The punishment fantasists, though, will never be appeased. Bullies and abusers never are. My suspicion is that those folks secretly want women to die in illegal abortions. Such is their vision of "life."

So between malice and naïveté, the right-wing has quite a political force mounted against women. Count this as year one of the Modern Dark Ages.

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alsis39.5's picture
alsis39.5 says:

Attractive, Young, White Middle-to-Upper Class Woman = Sheep

Unattractive, Older, Poor and/or Minority Woman = Punishable. Hang the murdering slut. Preferably live during Primetime.

Thank You, and please tune in FOX News again at 11.


(9 March 2006 - 6:09pm)
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Rachel says:

Or, according to Napoli:

Christian virgin who gets raped *and* sodomized (as bad as it can be!)= exception to the law.

Everyone else= sluts who couldn't keep their legs shut & need to be punished.


(12 March 2006 - 5:59pm)
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Matsu says:

Alas, in a zero tolerance law, these exceptions cannot be made.

The example given above is the my-daughter exception. It personalizes it.

If the someone I don't know gets pregnant by rape, the the abstract law is called upon.

If it is someone I know, the situation is no longer abstract.

The example puts a "face" on the victim.

___

P.S. Who or what is Napoli? I Googled it and the hits were about Naples.


(12 March 2006 - 6:08pm)
Rachel's picture
Rachel says:

Bill Napoli is the Senator for South Dakota. He was interviewed last week about SD's new anti-abortion law, and specifically about the fact that they were not going to allow exceptions for rape or incest.

When Napoli was asked if there were any circumstances under which he would consider allowing a woman to terminate a pregnancy, he replied:

"A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."

So you see, there can be exceptions to zero-tolerance laws - in this case, it's Bill Napoli's idea of a worthwhile woman: a young Christian virgin who hates herself for being raped. Or is it just the fantasy he's been jerking off to for the last 50 years?

Do you feel sick? I do.


(12 March 2006 - 6:30pm)
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Rachel says:

My suspicion is that those folks secretly want women to die in illegal abortions. Such is their vision of "life."

I have absolutely no doubt that that's exactly what they want - and I won't be surprised if they make sure that pictures of the victims of their new laws, a la Gerri Santoro, make it into the media, too: what fabulous PR for their cause! They want women to be too damn terrified to try to control their own lives, and because they know that the idea of imprisoning thousands of women was never going to be popular with the masses, what better way to do it than to disseminate gruesome images of the victims of back-alley abortions?

They are remarkably ugly people.


(12 March 2006 - 6:09pm)
alsis39.75's picture

...as guys like Napoli turn their own sick sexual fantasies into public policy.

Give us strength.


(13 March 2006 - 7:25pm)
hand out and down's picture

because I can't live here anymore, but am not willing to give up pizza.

Ohio's bill has no provision even for LIFE of the mother- because, as you know, the whole "pregnancy endangering life" is a myth that radical feminists spread. Another politician who knows better than doctors. They also make it a felony to go to another state to get an abortion. So much for State's Rights. So if I reach a border and am pregnant, do they assign me a 'buddy' to make sure I don't abort? How is this different from the Handmaid's Tale?


(29 March 2006 - 12:22pm)

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