When it's already been clearly established that women's equality is not part of the "important shit," this observation by caliberal on My Left Wing is rather revealing:
I went to bed last night disgusted by something I read on the late night open thread at Kos. I thought I was overreacting, perhaps, but when I returned this morning I feel the same way so here's my rant.
Here's what Markos had to say.
No abortions means more 18 years of child support after a drunken "mistake". Choice isn't a woman-only issue.
First Markos says if the Democratic Party is the party of abortion he will find another party to affiliate himself with because heaven fucking forbid we would stand up for women's right to have an abortion. Then he dares to say that choice isn't a woman-only issue because some guy might make a drunken "mistake", some guy might just slip and fuck a girl or woman, not use a condom and find himself paying in DOLLARS for the next 18 fucking years.
Then he links to this by Atrios.
Fertility May Control You It's time for more men to understand that getting rid of legal abortion increases by quite a lot the chance that one drunk evening will lead to 18 years of child support payments. Alternatively, it decreases the chance that they'll get laid.>
Fertility may control you, why? Because you may be saddled with making child support payments for crissakes. Nothing about women being raped and forced to give birth. Nothing about young girls being the victims of incest and forced to give birth.
Men need to understand banning abortion will hurt them in their fucking wallets? And banning abortions will decrease their chance for getting laid?
This is fucking outrageous. Women's lives mean shit? Women's health means shit? Decrease the chances of getting fucking laid because women will worry they don't have a choice if they do get pregnant? How about personal responsiblity for the sniveling bastards who say such things?
Over at firedoglake, digby says in an email.
I just realized that those nuts in South Dakota might be having an unanticipated effect. I am working today and this guy said to me over lunch, "I can't believe that these people are really serious." He's a bit of a putz and he admitted that he'd believed women were exaggerating the threat. I said "I hope you're ready to be daddies, boys. Last time abortion was illegal they didn't have DNA testing" and they all looked stunned.
Ready to be forced into daddyhood by DNA when women are forced into motherhood because we carry the fetuses. Caught and forced into daddyhood and thus made to pay when before DNA they could just fucking take off and never fucking look back.
This is those men are fucking worried about? This is how men on left leaning blogs are interpretting the ban on abortions? This is why it's not a woman-only issue?
I'm so fucking pissed off I want to spit in the faces of these men who say this goddamned shit. They say they're liberal Democrats but they're just like those cowardly son of a bitches who vote Republicans into office. They say they care about women's rights but what they really care about are their fucking wallets. They say they give a shit about women but what they really care about is getting fucking laid.
[bold emphasis added]
It's an interesting thread of responses, too.
Is anyone wondering whether the Big Boys of the so-called "progressive" blogosphere really are strongly behind women's control of their own bodies?
But wait! Money counts, too, right? sassy texan responds:
If the issue becomes about men having to pay child support, what's to keep the men who make the laws from changing the law? How about, if the man asks the woman to marry him and she refuses he does not have to pay child support. Tempted to think it could never happen? Well, here we are with one state already banning abortion and many more to go. I'm not putting anything past these people.bluebird of happiness states it plain:
This is not about men's freedom to get laid or not have to pay child support. It's about whether women end up dead because they're forced to be pregnant against their will.
If I get pregnant again, it will not be a pretty picture. I'm married and have two kids, and I'm almost 43, and I'm on medication that I need but would have to quit taking - and I've got a bunch of old rotten eggs that have been sitting on the shelf past their expiration date - who knows what kind of baby I would hatch out, or what the exhausting process of gestation would do to my haggard body? Not to mention childbirth itself - my first kid I lost two liters of blood.
The anti-abortion people value women as incubators to produce cannon fodder for their sickening wars, not as human beings.
This is about a woman's freedom to control her own body. As they say, "if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
What if every time you sex, you risked death, illness, or injury? And the Law told you the solution is to just not have sex, even if there were many ways to prevent those problems? And if the Law wanted to stop you from learning how to protect your own health and safety, so they could prevent you from having sex? And what if you were then raped?
The question is why this is so hard for so many self-proclaimed "progressives" to understand.