If Arizona hasn't gone and done it again. According to Time Magazine,
Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona ...
Arizona is a beautiful place with an expansive countryside -- crowned by the Grand Canyon -- with so many friendly and kind people. How is it then that the state manages to come off looking so odd-ball?
According to the Time article, some Arizona legislators want to withhold birth certificates of children born in Arizona, to parents who are not U.S. citizens.
The United States is a country which confers citizenship to anyone born in the country -- the so-called "natural born." Hence, to prove citizenship, someone born in the United States needs only to show a birth certificate to prove they are an American. Those not born in the United States need to get naturalization papers to provide this proof.
Under this theory, if a child is by definition an American citizen by virtue of being born within the United States, then it follows children born of non-citizens are citizens of the United States. Some think that this is a loophole, and now the Arizona legislature is attempting to plug the loophole by withholding citizenship from these children by not supplying a birth certificate.
Does withholding or otherwise manipulating a birth certificate invalidate citizenship? Possibly not.
The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution states, in part:
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The 14th Amendment was in large part meant to deal with emancipated slaves, who were native-born, but not full citizens prior to their emancipation. After emancipation, former slaves were in limbo and some people questioned the status of former slaves, as citizens. The 14th Amendment helps to clarify their status as full citizens, despite the circumstances of their birth in servitude.
Some southern revisionist may say that the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments were foisted on the secessionist states by scalawags and carpetbaggers ... and there are those who say the votes weren't quite right for ratification of the 14th. Certainly the 14th amendment has been applied in any number of instances in the 132 years since its enactment, not to mention some degree of consternation because it has the "equal protection" language in it.
Now the 14th is under attack by Arizona Republican and state Senator Russell Pearce. He is the man behind a move to strip persons born in the United States of the citizenship protected under the 14th. Of course, it is not phrased that way. It is couched in terms that those born in the United States, who fall under the proposed law, would not be given their birth documents. More benign sounding, as if the State of Arizona has the right to decide who and who is not a citizen of the United States.
But the 14th is very clear that people born in the United States are citizens, without the permission or acquiescence of any State government. At the moment of their birth, these newborns are United States citizens, birth certificate, or not. The intent of the legislation seems to be that by withholding the birth certification, the citizenship of these newborns can be reversed. But notice that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment says nothing about birth certificates. Given the world on 1868, when people were born at home, birth certificates were not de rigueur.
Even 68 years later, in 1936 to be exact, birth records were not that important, as we read in a Washington Post article about Arizona Senator John McCain's birth records.
Curiously enough, there is no record of McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone Health Department's bound birth registers, which are publicly available at the National Archives in College Park. A search of the "Child Born Abroad" records of the U.S. consular service for August 1936 included many U.S. citizens born in the Canal Zone but did not turn up any mention of John McCain.
The lack of such birth records does not make McCain any less a "native born" citizen.
Possible discrepancies in the bureaucratic paperwork are of little concern to Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor who looked into [whether McCain was a "natural born" American] . . . . Tribe said it would be "astonishing if the recordkeeping practices of Canal Zone [officials] could have any bearing on eligibility for the U.S. presidency."
Perhaps the same can be said of Arizona's pending legislation. It holds no force. It carries no sway. The matter of who is a citizen falls to the Federal Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Department of Justice, not any state.
Nevertheless Arizona state Senator Pearce argues in the Time article,
the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right."
Citing the popularity of such a bill, the article goes on,
He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.
Of course, the reason the founders wanted a Bill of Rights was precisely to protect against majorities, 58% or otherwise, riding roughshod over people -- newly-born citizens, included.
And now for the second round of birth-certificate-driven, odd-ball, politics. In a New York Channel 2 story we read,
The Arizona House has approved a bill that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot for a re-election bid.
The report goes onto say that the State of Hawaii has passed legislation to deal with a flood of inquires about the President's birth certificate. The birth certificate has already been shown, and doing so time and again is a waste of taxpayer money.
Perhaps the Arizona law will snare some of the people going across the boarder of one of the 13 other states that share the boarder with Canada, but I doubt that that is the real reason for all the Arizona brouhaha. The irony, if it can be called that, is how far people will go to erect fences and walls and how much birth certificates matter when the individual is darker-skinned.
Read further in the Washington Post article concerning Arizona Senator, John McCain's natural-born status,
The key constitutional issue is whether the Canal Zone was part of the United States .... the sovereignty question is "more complex" than Olson and Tribe concede. People born in some U.S. territories, such as American Samoa, are not recognized as citizens of the United States. According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered "part of the United States" and "A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." Tribe said the manual is an "opinion" with no legal status.
According to the Washington Post, other lighter-skinned folks, besides McCain, have run for President without there being such angst,
Vice President Charles Curtis, who served under President Herbert Hoover and was born in the territory of Kansas in 1860, a year before it became a state. The 12th Amendment requires that vice presidents possess the same qualifications as presidents.
Several prominent politicians have run for the presidency without having been born in the United States, including Barry Goldwater, who was born in the territory of Arizona in 1909, three years before it became a state. Mitt Romney's father, George Romney, ran in 1968, even though he was born in Mexico. Since neither Goldwater nor Romney won the presidency, the "natural born" clause was never tested.
Looking back at the 14th Amendment, Section 3, it appears that we are a forgiving people -- even able to seat those, right after reconstruction, who took up arms against the United States. And during that same time, blacks were unseated and through adroit legislation, were disenfranchised. Rewriting reconstruction as a time of Northern excess and oppression of Southern citizens, does not always square with history -- see "The Era of Reconstruction," 1865-1877 by Kenneth M. Stampp. What actually happened was that after defeat, the southern states passed legislation that favored the white man and removed the darker-skinned people from power. We may be seeing another round of carefully crafted legislation that takes away people's rights. Same-old, same-old?
It is doubtful the Arizona legislation will be upheld, but then again you never know with members of a Supreme Court who look to 18th century "intent" to apply to 21st century circumstances. So the battle goes on.
And yet there is cause for hope. What some might call the most Secess' states of all, first-to-secede South Carolina, has led the way by nominating Nikki Haley, an Indian-American for governor in Tuesday's primary.
Having won re-election in the midst of a Civil War, Lincoln said in his second inaugural
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
It has been 135 years since Lincoln called on the citizens to bind up the nation's wounds and that we find "lasting peace among ourselves." That time may be here. Maybe now is the time to really start that healing and put all the birth-certificate-driven politics behind us.

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17 comments postedI best that just galls the xenophobes.
Of course, with "originalist intent," maybe the right wing will resurrect notions that certain people count for only 3/5 of a white person.
The 14th Amendment was never meant to give citizenship to someone born here when their parents were here on vacation or if they came into the country ILLEGALLY, etc. It's insane and completely out of control.
You also might want to check into the 3/5th thing too, because you apparently don't have a very good grasp on it. Not surprising though that you don't.
The original post was by me and not by media girl, so I would like to address this comment.
The point of my post is that Arizona does not have the right to grant or withhold citizenship. That is a Federal matter, not a state matter.
The 14th Amendment does not require state issued birth certificates, nor does it mention people on vacation in the United States, nor someone being in the United States, "illegally."
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 14th Amendment is FEDERAL. It relates to every State in this Nation...and it DOES NOT apply to ILLEGALS. They are under their OWN NATIONS' LAWS, Some of which state specifically that they are citizens of their OWN Country.
NOW, with that out the the way, ANCHOR BABIES are NOT U.S. CITIZENS IF THEY ARE BORN HERE (INTENTIONALLY THROUGH FRAUD AND ON OUR DIME) AND ILLEGALLY. They are subject to their OWN NATIONS' LAWS REGARDING CITIZENSHIP. The 14th Amendment related SPECIFICALLY to the slaves. It has NOTHING to do with ILLEGALS (OR THEIR BABIES BORN HERE) FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. Aren't you TIRED OF YOUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS SUPPORTING THESE ILLEGALS YET? A MAJORITY OF TRUE AMERICANS ARE....UNLESS YOU ARE ONE!
Interesting how you have amended the US Constitution all by yourself. It must be all the SHOUTING that's the secret.
Xenophobia is such a sad thing to witness.
Your xenophobic fears are part of a long tradition of nativist bedwetting in the US. Nevertheless, plenty of immigrants came in "illegally" whose children were deemed US citizens. Maybe even you or your parents? Italian, Irish, Polish….
But you would claim to know what the 14th Amendment was really about, against not only a common sense reading of the language but also court precedent and all those years of application? On what do you base your assertions, "showme69"? The 14th Amendment is pretty clearly written. Maybe you should share your Ouija board so we can hear the voices, too? ;)
By the way, Matsu wrote the post.
READ THE CONSTITUION BETTER BECAUSE ALREADY BEFORE GIVE CITZENSHIP RIGHT TO BLACK SLAVES ALREADY EXISTE THE LAW OF 14 AMENDEMENT WICH NOT STATED IF IS FOR BLACK SLAVES JUST SAY TO ALL PERSONS BORN SO YOU SHOULD NOT SURROND THE LAW INVITED LIES AND O SUCH IGNORANCE JUST READ ALL AMENDMENTS OR GO BACK COLLEGE
I am not sure of your point. If you are saying that the 14th also applies to people who are not, nor have ever been, in servitude, I agree. If you are also saying, all the amendments of the Constitution apply and also need to be considered in decisions, I also agree.
Going back to college, I would love to take additional classes, but at this point in my life, it would be a luxury.
Matsu
Jeremy, it's difficult to take seriously your, um, analysis of Constitutional language when you can't, or are unwilling to, write in coherent sentences. Spellcheck is your friend. ;)
i agree. spell check is very useful in the field of typing!
If asking to see Obama's birth certificate is such a crazy idea, then why did he sign Executive Order 13489 which bars the release of it?
I'm not sure if he was born here or not, but it's still something to think about. Either way I would not look into the issue because the executive order makes it ILLEGAL to do so.
Still worth asking... Why so much secrecy?
Of course, it must be more fun to just make shit up. Have you even read the executive order? It has nothing to do with pre-existing documents like birth certificates, you silly person.
The 14th Amendment states
"Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall ........"
The phrase that is confusing is "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". It adds a condition to the preceding "persons born or naturalized" phrase. The implication is that if the "and" condition is not met, then the person does not become a citizen. So, if a person is not subject to the jurisdiction, then they do not belong under that jurisdiction and should be treated accordingly ... deported.
I have read some discussions on "jurisdiction" and they are very confusing and wordy and try too hard to be convincing which is suspicious.
You liberals never cease to amaze me. You will use any arguement (i.e. racism, xenophobes, freed slaves) to backup the fact that basically, for some strange reason, you want illegal people to be granted citizenship and rights here regardless of whether it would be good for the country as a whole or not and regardless of whether they go through the right channels or not.
The basic bottom line is that you know that illegals are using (or should I say abusing) the 14th Ammendment to get to stay here. It is not being used now for what it was originally intended. The basic fundumentals and freedoms of our society are being slowly irradicated by you people and it's about time we took our country back.
In your world, citizens have no say or rights to decide how their country should be... non-citizens get that right. Call me strange, racist or whatever you want, but that just really gets me bent. I work hard and pay taxes like everyone else who is here LEGALLY and I think I should get a certain amount of say over how much of my space I want to share. It's called rules people... but you liberals just want the rules thrown out so that you don't have to feel guilty for living better than other people in impoverished countries.
I have an idea: If you want to take care of all of these people, have ten or twenty of them stay at your house for a week. Something tells me you would come to your senses real quick-like because suddenly it would become an inconvenience to YOU... instead of to the rest of US.
I'm not sure if you back the illegals because you're interested in learning Spanish or what the deal is, but this is not a race issue. I don't care if you're white as snow and speak French... I don't want you here unless you're here legally and paying taxes and not sponging. And I certainly don't want to pay for you or the eight kids that you can't afford just because it's "in your religion" not to use birth control. And I don't want to have to push "1" to hear my phonecall in English either. Are you liberals even aware that it is a REQUIREMENT to speak English in order to become a citizen here? And no, I didn't make that up... check out the requirements sometime and you'll see.
With the ridiculous thinking that you liberals have.... you're basically proposing that we just say that all people born on this planet are automatically US citizens. That's basically the stance you're taking, right? Otherwise, we aren't being "humanitarians" I suppose by forcing people to remain the problem of the country they come from.
Guess what? Other countries do this and no one calls them racist. My cousin tried to move to Australia and guess what? After six months, they told him it was time to go home because he's not a legal citizen.... my God, what a concept! Canada does the same thing and so does England and so do plenty of other countries. Are they racist? Are they being cruel? No! They're being practical and taking care of their own.
I just don't get it. This country and especially the state I come from, California, are a complete financial disaster. Yet all of you want more people here to support and take care of and then sit there and wonder why we're in such a mess. Utter brilliance!
Look, I'm not a cold person. I'd like to be able to help everyone in the world too, but there comes a time when the dam can't handle anymore water and we're already waaaay beyond that point. It's time we get our current problems under control before we start taking on another set from people who haven't even participated here.
Perhaps one day when you look around and find yourself with no say because YOU are now the minority and because YOU let America be turned in to Mexico part two... maybe then you'll realize how insane your thinking is.
What an awful thing it must be to live in such fear of the world. You have my sympathy.
If ignorance is bliss there are some very blissful people here. With all the posts I do not see an explanation of what that phrase, as used in the 14th, means. I do see a lot of posts by several posters which display they have no clue whatsoever despite chastising people over their 'phobias'.
Here in simple English and from the mouths of the men who WROTE it. I suppose this post will get axed because he rebuts several peoples uneducated opinions.
“I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?col... (location: top center column)
It means 'POLITICAL' jurisdiction. Illegals OWE ALLEGIANCE to the country they CAME FROM. IT is a REQUIREMENT for naturalization that you RENOUNCE Foreign Allegiance.
“The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY ELSE. That is what it means.”
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?col...
I have a complete explanation here.
Really want this type of law, then it should apply to ALL people.
The only "real Americans" are the Native Americans, except in their eyes they don't count as people either.
To me, the Pilgrims were just as illegal as any illegals of today. There, I can be just as extreme as the other side.
Racism and cultural divide rears its ugly head once again and those who refuse to admit this need a good wash of their mouth, hearts and minds.
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