So. They say Hillary is running ...


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that pretty well

sums it up, doesn't it?

Follow the link, I think I may have found Minority Leader Harry Reid's picture.

Madman in the Marketplace's picture
Posted by Madman in the M... on 21 March 2006 - 8:09am
Oh! That dog looks

unwell. Very unwell.

Marisacat's picture
Posted by Marisacat on 21 March 2006 - 11:00am
I am having trouble with this set of jokes

I admit the photos are funny and the cartoons make me laugh, yet I am troubled. My feminist roots recall an observation that men (and women) judge a woman's worth based on her appearance. A way to put down a female is to say she is not pretty or is not stylish. A woman is no good because, "she's a dog."

Yet to be fair, there is some of the same that is said about men - only in reverse. Manly-men are good. But a "girly-man" is ineffective and not worthy.

A man is no good if he's no better than a woman. A woman is no good if she's a dog.

It troubles we that we are falling into these patriarchal stereotypes and ways to dismiss a woman's ideas by saying she's not pretty enough - or whatever - to listen to what she has to say.

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Posted by Matsu on 21 March 2006 - 11:43am
Interesting point

but I thought the comparison was show candidates, as in - poodles are overbred show dogs. This is why Hillary Clinton is lumped in with her fellow triangulating Dems.

That being said, I have been wondering lately whether to give Hillary Clinton a pass. Given the recent polling showing low acceptance of a woman president, perhaps it's high time to roll back some traditional mores and perceptions.

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Posted by dblhelix (not verified) on 21 March 2006 - 12:22pm
No way.

No prowar politician gets my vote. Hillary can go stuff herself up her non-existant health plan.


“Dr Gannon told me I must be fed. …I was held down by five people…Gannon pushed the tube up left nostril…It hurts nose and throat very much and makes nose bleed freely…Operation leaves one very sick.�

~Lucy Burns

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Posted by AlanSmithee on 21 March 2006 - 12:28pm

I'm not sure I'm at the vote-deciding stage yet. This is more a reaction to the non-stop bashing I see online in the 'liberal' blogosphere of women in leadership positions, i.e., Nancy Pelosi, NARAL/PP etc -- that is, women associated with feminist positions (whether true or not). In the minds of many Americans, HC is a 'strident feminist'.

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Posted by dblhelix (not verified) on 21 March 2006 - 1:17pm
Why stop with Hilliary

why not add Condi Rice, Di Fi and Mrs. Dole to potential female presidential candidates... if all that is important is that a woman "win" on sex... but not substance.

Women accepting Hilliary just because she is a woman makes as much sense as Black Americans accepting Clarence Thomas just because he is Black. As the ever righteous Rev Al once said of Thomas "He may be of my color ... but not of my kind" I would like to paraphrase that "Hilliary may be of my gender... but not of my genre"...

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Posted by parker (not verified) on 21 March 2006 - 4:33pm
She is a politician.

She long ago moved to the status, as it is assessed at the self described "elite" level, of "honorary male".

How anyone assumes this has to do with something as nebulous as her "appearance" eludes me.

I am not her gate keeper. She is fully as destructive as any other pol.

And, in Feb of 2005 she stated, among her many political transgressions, that there is no reason, in the great modern techologically rich era we live in, with education and sufficient amounts of blah blah... that abortion should be at all necessary.

There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances.

The men loved it. To this day George Will and Saletan and others make use of her speeches from those post election loss months. It utterly negates the reality of female biology, it negates the immediacy of human desire, the many traps youth find themselves in, and it negates that many women, inside America, are still utterly captive in the world of men.. Tech world or not. It certainly negates the dominance of the right wing christian agenda in 20 - 30 states... But then with her "values come from religion" and her trumpeting "tragedy" both said at the same time, she fully assisted that agenda.

She turned in her labia, minora and majora. And she did so publicly.

Satire is not easy... and neither is equality.

I would not abuse her by ignoring her.

Again, as I began: she is a pol. One more of the many.

Marisacat's picture
Posted by Marisacat on 21 March 2006 - 1:47pm
I see Hillary's flaws as being political

As you said, "she is a pol."

What that has to do with her labia, though, I'm at a loss.

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Posted by media girl on 21 March 2006 - 3:18pm
She wants so badly to

join the boys. So she helps them. I scarcely see her as a feminist, unless DLC and Third Way are somehow interested in women, the entirety of the species. They are interested in a specialised sub strata of women. The sort that Hillary is.

AFAIAC she neutered herself - and did so for political gain...

To be honest she reminds me a lot of Geo Allen of VA. Trades on his father's bio in soft ways... basically a white shit out of the South. She trades on the Clinton name, basically a never reformed ''Goldwater Girl''.

It gets old.

Marisacat's picture
Posted by Marisacat on 21 March 2006 - 5:18pm
I can just imagine what the response would be

...if Kos were posting using such vivid language about Hillary's genitalia. Why go there? What is the gain of objectifying her in sexual terms when you're talking about her politics? I guess I just don't get it.

media girl's picture
Posted by media girl on 21 March 2006 - 6:44pm
I am sorry it was unpleasant for you

I explained upthread that she is trampling women. For political gain. And she will be doing more of it... She knows better than the utter crap she is shoveling out. And yet people, even in this thread, want to give her a pass for BEING a woman. OR assume that any issue with her is related to her appearance. Her appearance is generic middle aged pol. It is nearly androgynous. The disputed hair bands are long gone.

Well, as for Kos, I have a better command of English than does Kos and I use language for different reasons. I don't surrender words anymoe than I surrender anything else.

BTW, she very much wants that pass for being a woman. And counts on it.

People may well get to crown her, certainly to the nom level.. and then the R will knock her out in the battle ground and SO states.

I am very tough about politics - and sell outs.

Marisacat's picture
Posted by Marisacat on 23 March 2006 - 10:46pm
it is that cynical

willingness to trade on ANYTHING for power that is most depressing about Hillary. You're spot on about her.

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Posted by Madman in the M... on 24 March 2006 - 12:13am
this speech

I explained upthread that she is trampling women.

I just read through the link, and unless it is the lateness of the hour, I don't see it. I see no mention of technology or tragedy. She acknowledges that teens don't always do what we'd like, which is a point you raise as well.

She advocates for Title X support, EPICC (Equity in Prescription Insurance and Contraceptive Coverage), mentions the Viagra/contraceptive double standard.

She cites that the 7% of women who do not use contraception account for over half of unwanted pregnancies. This is not a moral judgment -- she is clearly advocating for more government intervention in making contraception widely available to women of all income levels.

She advocates for OTC Plan B. She states that there are 15k abortions a year from rape. In total, the issues she raises are the components of "The Putting Prevention First Act". This is what she means by "the govt can do more to educate and inform and provide assistance ..." It is a straightforward conclusion that access to contraception as well as OTC Plan B should result in a lower abortion rate.

Is it fair to say that "the choice guaranteed under the Constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances"? You know, there are many women who have never had to deal with an unintended pregnancy -- they usually have access to contraception. They never exercise their right to choose. This is how I interpret her statement -- I don't see the slut-shaming in this speech.

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Posted by dblhelix (not verified) on 24 March 2006 - 3:15am
Hilliary cosigned a bill with Sanatorum

To give fundamentalist phramacist the right to deny giving contraception prescritptions, BTW Kerry is the other co signer with Sanatorum... yunno the fundamentalist freak that is campaigning against the oother fundamentalist freak.

Hilliary is the one that negotiated AWAY... Plan B by accepting their the fundamentalist choice to chair the FDA in lieu of Plan B passing when a blind two year old could have seen that they were lying. Once again she proclaimed that she was given false information and waz had, just like the WMD.

Also, Hilliary started here PRESIDENTIAL campaign last year with a strong advocation of Abstinence Only education... she is proclaiming that she doesn't know that this type of education does more harm than good... Not only should Hilliary cut off her labia but Chelsea's belly button as well... what the fuck kind of mother throws children into the wilderness unprepared and ignorant... well besides the fundie moms.

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Posted by parker (not verified) on 24 March 2006 - 4:58am
i saw over someones

i saw over someones shoulder on the subway this afternoon..."MRS CLINTON SAYS WHITE HOUSE IMMIGRATION POLICY GOES AGAINST THE BIBLE"

with a photo of her making a sour joe lieberman face of disapproval.

i felt disgusted & humiliated

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Posted by n69n (not verified) on 23 March 2006 - 8:12pm
Obviously not the Republican Bible

"Let he who hath seen other sin cast the first stone!"

media girl's picture
Posted by media girl on 23 March 2006 - 8:47pm