Pharmacist Quayle sticks by his ignorance of what emergency contraception actually is


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Logical extensions

Good evening, Media Girl.

By this thundering intellectual's reasoning, then, a surgeon who performs a hysterectomy on a woman of child-bearing age has entirely eliminated the possibility of an implantation of a fertilized egg.

Worse, a tubal pregnancy that a surgeon rectifies by excision of the tube and its blastocytic contents is something along the lines of murder... except that—wait!—it didn't implant in the uterus, so that one would be okay... unless a clump of several hundred cells is really an ensouled and sentient human regardless of where it ends up latching on.

The Dark Wraith should probably leave these matters to the medical/theology experts at the Fired Walgreen's Employees Support Group.

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Posted by Dark Wraith (not verified) on 16 December 2005 - 7:25pm
media girl's lack of research/knowledge

obviously, media girl has never studied human embriology. once an ovum is fertilized, that one cell zygote has all 46 chromosomes and is a human being. the sex, hair & eye color and all of it's being is directed by those chromosomes. it is a unique human being that now only requires nutrition, shelter and time to become an adult.... the size and location and degree of dependence does not make that embrio less human. look up the scientific facts in any human embriology medical text. if you don't know all the facts, you shouldn't pretend to be a real journanist.

maybe this will help if you can understand big words and care to be accurate.....

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Posted by rich (not verified) on 17 December 2005 - 1:26am
rich's lack of research/knowledge

Obviously, rich does not understand that Plan B prevents fertizilation. You know what that means, rich? No 46 chromosomes. No zygote.

I know, rich, it's hard for you to let go of your illusions. Of course, your mind is made up, so cling to your ignorance. The data is out there, if you ever want to wake up.

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Posted by media girl on 17 December 2005 - 8:55am
Poor Rich

it's hard to do his own research, to actually go to PROFESSIONALS to find out how things really work. Better to regurgitate the lies and misinformation propagated by fundamentalist wackjobs like David Hager. Better to march down the street singing Every Sperm is Sacred with the other fools unwilling to face the messy choices in life, especially unwilling to face that OTHER PEOPLE have the right to make choices that they wouldn't make.

Superstition isn't science, poor boy.

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Posted by Madman in the M... on 17 December 2005 - 9:34am
hey mr "big words".

I put some scientific facts down below in another post. You know, just in case you "understand" how to scroll down. New England Journal of Medicine is one, Biomedicine is another.

Why don't you return when you are able to enlighten us using citations from sound scientific organizations to back up your statements, and not from some damn-fool theocratic online webpage like physicians for life.

that site is laffable by the way. what a tool you must be.

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Posted by bayprairie on 17 December 2005 - 2:27pm
I don't think he's

I don't think he's (factually) wrong or lying....though I think he's of course a nutjob for thinking a 2 day old fertilized egg is a human being.

But emergency contraception doesn't just prevent conception. It also prevents implantation as Qualye claims it does. It is also suspected that IUDs and some other hormonal birth control methods may similarly prevent implantation in the uterine wall.

So I don't think Qualye has contradicted himself (assuming he actually believes a fertilized egg is a human life), unless perhaps he still fills prescriptions for other birth control methods that *might* work this way.

That said, I still think he's despicable.

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Posted by activistgradgal (not verified) on 17 December 2005 - 7:50am
You are wrong there.

Plan B does not prevent implantation (.pdf). That's not how Plan B works. You've bought into the myths perpetrated by the people who want women who have sex to be punished. You know, the live begins at ejaculation folks.

Research has shown that levonorgestrel-only hormonal emergency contraception, such as Plan B, interferes with prefertilization events. It reduces the number of sperm cells in the uterine cavity, immobilizes sperm, and impedes further passage of sperm cells into the uterine cavity. In addition, levonorgestrel has the capacity to delay or prevent ovulation from occurring.

ECPs have not been shown to cause a postfertilization event—a change in the uterus that could interfere with implantation of a fertilized egg.

That's in the GAO report on the FDA's political obstruction of Plan B's approval.

Some wingnuts are waking up:

Most Americans are far more comfortable with birth control than they are with abortion. The pro-life movement has long opposed the morning-after pill as abortion in disguise, not the "emergency contraception" it is supposed to be. Anti-abortion groups argue that by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg, it destroys a fetus.

That reputation has made many people justifiably leery of it. And that reputation apparently has been enough to deter the Food and Drug Administration from approving an application to allow over-the-counter sales of the medication known as Plan B.

But it turns out the reputation is groundless. The best scientific evidence we have indicates that the morning-after pill serves to block fertilization, while having no effect on implantation. That makes it contraception, not abortion.

As a longtime pro-lifer, I think anti-abortion groups had solid grounds to oppose the morning-after pill when its function was unclear, as I did. But given what we now know, it's a grave mistake to keep opposing it. In fact, there are grounds for celebration: A drug once believed to produce abortion is found to prevent abortion.

But people like Mr. Quayle and our emmissary of ignorance rich, above, cling to their ideology -- which is the danger of these people. Facts and truth mean nothing to them. Their opinion is more important.

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Posted by media girl on 17 December 2005 - 9:04am
no proof EC prevents implantation

Activist Grad Gal says:

It (Plan B) also prevents implantation as Qualye claims it does.

Got proof with that? If you have some would you please provide a link to a citation? You sound so sure of yourself.

The New England Journal of Medicine. :::pay site::::

Use of emergency contraception is limited largely by ignorance. Although it seems likely that the estrogen/progestin regimen works mainly by interfering with ovulation, it is nevertheless regarded by many as an abortifacient because it is taken after, rather than before, intercourse. This confusion is compounded when mifepristone ( Mifeprex or RU-486) is advocated for emergency contraception since, when taken after pregnancy is established, it can be and is used for the induction of abortion. The prevention of pregnancy before implantation is contraception and not abortion. Intervention within 72 hours after intercourse cannot possibly amount to abortion, because implantation is not achieved until at least seven days after ovulation and the egg is capable of being fertilized for only about 24 hours.

Note: In the above reference "estrogen/-progestin regimen" references a group of differently compounded drugs, of which Plan B is one, that share a common mechanism. Plan B itself contains no estrogen. It contains Levonorgestrel which is a progestin, defined as a group of steroidal hormones.

Here's another citation:

Biomedicine: Emergency Contraception's Mode of Action Clarified

Emergency contraceptive pills, a hormonal treatment that can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse, have been the subject of heated debate. At issue is the method’s mechanism of action: does it prevent the meeting of egg and sperm, or does it prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus? Recent research by members of the Population Council’s International Committee for Contraception Research (ICCR) and other scientists shows that the most popular method of emergency contraception appears to work by interfering with ovulation, thus preventing fertilization, and not by disrupting events that occur after fertilization.

So you're wrong. I'll not "go there" on the IUD statement you make. I'll leave that takedown to someone else. After all, why should I have all the fun?

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Posted by bayprairie on 17 December 2005 - 2:16pm