» Hello! It's not just about "privacy"

16 June 2005 - 5:47pm

Hello! It's not just about "privacy"

media girl's picture

Kos has been exploring core values of the Democrats over the past few days. While I commend the effort, I feel there's an essential aspect missing.

Coming late to this -- I've found most of the DKos atmosphere a bit abrasive and tesosterone-driven of late and have in general stayed away -- I've missed the discussion (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3) so let's just cut to the chase: the grand conclusions:

Accountability
Fighting Corruption
Responsive govt
Transparancy
Electoral Reform
Fiscal responsibility
Corporate Accountability (tort laws, strong SEC, etc)

Privacy
Sacrosant Doctor/Patient relationship (choice, contraceptives, medical marijuana)
Family planning
No regulation of morality
Opposition to Patriot Act
A right to die
Consumer privacy
Religious freedom

Growth and Opportunity
Education (pre-K, primary, secondary, college)
Worker rights
Social Security
Health Care
Gender equality (same pay for same work, etc)
Non-regressive tax laws
Marriage equality
Workplace protection (OSHA, discrimination laws, etc)
Fair trade laws
Small business support
Protecting our environment
Protecting our cultural heritage
Sound energy policy

American Leadership (America is number one!)
Strong, effective military
Leadership on global issues (e.g. terrorism, landmines, global warming, etc.)
Champion of human rights, at home and abroad
Leadership in science and technology (e.g. stem cells, alternative energy, etc.)
Strong United Nations/Internationalism

Maybe it's just me, but I find "privacy" to be a very weak frame for a woman's sovereignty over her own body. "Privacy" suggests secrets. I don't see the issue as being about keeping secrets, but a matter of having control.

I consider a woman's control over her own body a matter of freedom from enslavement. I think we've fallen into a big trap by getting into debating "abortion," as if that were the issue. It's not. If you're against abortion, don't have one. A lot of people would never have an abortion. That's their own choice. But that does not mean that they automatically support State control over one's body.

If the state can force a woman to remain pregnant, then it becomes the state's decision, and that means, under the same premise:

  • The State can force an abortion
  • The State can sterilize people (including use of castration)
  • The State can regulate all behavior of pregnant women
  • The State can impose its will on people's bodies for other reasons

It's the stepping stone to eugenics. For example, what if the State decides it has a compelling interest to have people who have "the gay gene" sterilized? What if the State decides there are enough Hispanics in this country? What if decided that "welfare mothers" were too expensive and so mandated sterilization?

Are we going to lock up a pregnant woman if she lights a cigarette? Are we going to have pregnancy officers doing home checks to make sure pregnant women are eating their vegetables?

Should the State mandate vassectomies for men who do poorly in college or fail to pass the Presidential Physical Fitness tests?

Shall we hold criminal trials to determine the guilt or innocence of women who've miscarried? Shall men be arrested for masturbating and spilling precious seed?

Should we have political vetting so only the "good people" can reproduce? Should the State set up matchmaking programs so people with lower intelligence breed to produce workers to do grunt work?

You don't have to be "pro-abortion" in order to have some very strong reservations about the State's power over our bodies.

It's not privacy, it's freedom.

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pennywit's picture
pennywit says:

The thing is, you pretty much have to put a lot of this under the rubric of privacy. Keep in mind that a number of individual freedoms are derived from the general right to privacy.

--|PW|--


(16 June 2005 - 7:17pm)
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anonymous lurker says:

I don't want to be forced to breed. By anyone.

I guess that's a privacy issue, I don't want someone invading my privacy and forcing me to bear a child.

But it's much much more than that. It's about human rights.

How are you going to force me to continue a pregnancy I don't want? Are you going lock me in prison to keep me from aborting. What are you going to do with the baby? Sell it. Grow it and put it to work? Maybe I will need to prove to you every month that I'm not pregnant so you will know if I'm illegally aborting. What kind of sick world is that going to be?


(17 June 2005 - 3:20am)
media girl's picture

Is it even in the Constitution?


(16 June 2005 - 7:18pm)
DreamOfPeace's picture
DreamOfPeace says:

Great post, and no privacy is never mentioned in the Constitution.


(16 June 2005 - 9:30pm)
kevin's picture
kevin says:

Privacy = secrets? That doesn't compute for me.

To me privacy = individual liberty. There may be secrets that are being hidden. There may not be. Either is irrelevant because privacy means it's nobody else's damn business to begin with.


(16 June 2005 - 10:28pm)
media girl's picture

Privacy is a privilege to be sacrificed for patriotism. At least that seems to be the dominant thinking. If you want privacy, that must mean you have something to hide.

I would agree with you, but after the Patriot Act, privacy is seen as a security threat. That's why the FBI must be able to look at what books you've checked out of the library, or be able to snoop through your home without telling you. That's why your luggage is searched on the assumption that you're a terrorist.

I wish it weren't so.


(17 June 2005 - 12:10am)
pennywit's picture
pennywit says:

This is the last place where I expected people to demand an originalist reading of the Constitution!

Alright, if you're curious about the right to privacy, I encourage you to read Griswold v. Connecticutt, 381 U.S. 479 (1965), which found that access to contraceptives was part of a married couple's right to privacy.

Here's the money quote:

The foregoing cases suggest that specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance. Various guarantees create zones of privacy. The right of association contained in the penumbra of the First Amendment is one, as we have seen. The Third Amendment in its prohibition against the quartering of soldiers "in any house" in time of peace without the consent of the owner is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incrimination Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." [citation omitted]

--|PW|--


(17 June 2005 - 5:40am)
Morgaine Swann's picture

I'm setting up a project right now that combines two issues:

Women's Autonomy and Sexual Sovereignty.

Privacy doesn't begin to cover the issue, though I believe we have the right because it is not limited by the Constitution. This is not about keeping secrets, or modesty. This is about whether women are people or not.

Morgaine-ism© #8

"A Woman's Sexual and Reproductive Autonomy is Sacred and Absolute."


(17 June 2005 - 2:03pm)
media girl's picture

I hope you'll share the details here when the time comes. Let me know if I can help in any way.


(17 June 2005 - 2:19pm)
Matsu's picture
Matsu says:

Part of the old-line conservative movement was the Tenth Amendment which the wingnuts have conveniently forgotten and I would say this is powerful insofar as privacy, but I do agree the issue is whether females are humans.

Largely because women were not fully human at the time the Constitution was written and blacks were only 60-percent human - it says so in the Constitution, the humanity of non-whites and females has always been a bit tentative.

I think women, especially, want this clarified and not all of them frame the issue identically. Feminism is not monolithic.

But many of us do think the issues is larger than the privacy issue.


(17 June 2005 - 2:23pm)
Attila Girl's picture

Perhaps. But the state cannot force a woman to remain pregnant. It can prohibit abortion, and in a less-free society it might imprison her, providing her with only sound nutritional food and witholding cigarettes and alcohol.

But she could still miscarry. The only power to continue the pregnancy lies in the woman's own will to have the child--and with God.

Anyone who knows where babies come from can prevent herself, under most circumstances, from becoming pregnant.

That is, I might have a spacecraft in my belly, but there are sound strategies for keeping little aliens out of it, and they work 99% of the time.


(19 June 2005 - 12:30pm)

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