Talking the talk and walking the walk

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Good stuff. Glad to know I'm

Good stuff. Glad to know I'm not alone. :-)

Shakespeare's Sister's picture
Posted by Shakespeare's Sister (not verified) on 11 March 2005 - 2:27pm
We stand together

Never alone. We're just ignored.

media girl's picture
Posted by media girl on 11 March 2005 - 2:49pm
We Stand Together

Never alone. We're just ignored.

We'll change that. Girls can circle jerk, ahem, I mean, link to each other often, as well as boys can.

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Posted by Shakespeare's Sister (not verified) on 12 March 2005 - 4:42pm
Senate Vote -- Bankruptcy Bil

Senate Vote -- Bankruptcy Bill

Wasn't the cloture vote the significant one?

I would think a list of who voted to end the filibuster would be more meaningful than listing votes on a done deal.

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Posted by Ellen1910 (not verified) on 12 March 2005 - 12:39am
Let me be a little less enigm

Let me be a little less enigmatic.

Senate Republicans always had enough votes to beat back offered amendments and to pass the bill if and when it came to a vote.

Thus, only a filibuster by the Democrats could halt its adoption. The Democrats did in fact mount a filibuster; however, that filibuster was terminated by what's called a "cloture vote." A cloture requires 60 votes in favor (it received 69 this time). Failing cloture, a filibuster continues.

A vote against cloture was, therefore, a vote against the Bankruptcy Bill.

Red state Democrats were right to vote for the Bankruptcy Bill once the final voting was called, because the bill couldn't be defeated. There was no reason to give a Republican an issue in a later campaign [voters don't know what cloture is, so voting against cloture wouldn't generate an issue).

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Posted by Ellen1910 (not verified) on 12 March 2005 - 1:10am
Lieberman's Vote Lieberman

Lieberman's Vote

Lieberman voted for cloture which ensured the passage of the Bankruptcy Bill.

He voted against the Bill when it came up for final vote. Why? In order to deflect criticism in a primary fight if one is mounted against him.

He'll say he voted against the Bankruptcy Bill (a meaningless gesture) and assume primary voters won't understand that the vote which counted was his vote for cloture (actually, a meaningless vote, also, but useful as a signal to campaign contributors such as Citibank, etc. that he's still one of the boys).

Note: The corporate pros will forgive him for voting against their bill; they'll recognize the vote as merely a tactic to fool the rubes.

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Posted by ellen1910 (not verified) on 12 March 2005 - 1:35am
Don't be so hard on Reid O

Don't be so hard on Reid

On the vote that counted -- cloture -- Sen. Reid voted true blue Democratic.

So did Baucus, Bayh, Bingaman, and others who voted later for the Bankruptcy Bill. Hillary voted against cloture but didn't show for the final vote (who knows how she would have voted).

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Posted by Ellen1910 (not verified) on 12 March 2005 - 1:50am